Adaptronic maps - anyone running Adaptronic please read

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Adaptronic maps - anyone running Adaptronic please read

Postby Tony Smith » Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:25 pm

Since there are a few of us now with this system and mapping is very expensive I suggest some collaboration. I for instance have some good full power maps but my idle and part throttle running is p1ss poor. Be great if someone out there has managed to figure out how to get a nice smooth idle. Can anybody help? It's easy enough to e-mail the map files and intergrate the pieces that work well. My main problems are initial start up and hot idle where it hunts terribly. How are other people getting on with it?
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Postby clee » Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:30 pm

Dave Miles has got his idle sorted I think .Mine blew up :lol: But should be back together next week then I'm on big time with the Adapt .
Modded the flywheel and also got a pulley trigger sorted .
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Postby Tony Smith » Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:35 pm

Martin keeps telling me to go back to a trigger wheel. The one that was on there before wasn't done particularly well and that may have been causing some of the poor running before changing to the flywheel trigger. Probably still ran best after that initial R/R session though.
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Postby clee » Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:42 pm

I will see how it runs on the modded wheel first then hook it up on the pulley trigger and see what happens .
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Postby Stunned Monkey » Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:38 pm

The idle settings for a 3 litre will be different from a 2.5, and Tony, you're also running a 2-wire valve.

Lee has had his own idle foibles and the general consensus over on the Adaptronic forum is to run the 3-wire valves for much better accuracy (and now it's clear how to wire them up! - I count myself in not realising that!)

Lee's setup is very nice but without checking, does the 610 timing cover have the same mounts Lee's using for his sensor? I'll look tomorrow. Lee, FYI, Tony's "other" crank sensor is at precisely 6 o'clock. Can still use that and just adjust things in software, or in trigger wheel offset.

I have crank pulleys coming out of my back bottom - happy to donate one to the cause if Lee'd be happy to affix the trigger wheel?
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Postby clee » Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:16 am

There are two pulley types ....................The one I've used has a center rebate of about 70mm diameter ,the other is around 100 .The 70 gives room to drill and tap without breaking into the A/C pulley area .
I think some are cast and some pressed which complicates things as well :roll:

I need a 70mm version to mount the wheel ..................
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Postby Stunned Monkey » Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:51 am

I definitely have more than one type. However the GTA pulley has scars from someone's enterprising efforts to remove the crankshaft nut :roll:
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Postby rupert » Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:23 pm

sorry if this sound rude, but has anyone actually got a car running properly on the adaptronic yet?
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Postby Stunned Monkey » Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:30 pm

I can't speak for everyone but the TT DeLorean runs 100% of the time on an adapt and apart from needing its maps optimising, it's spot on. Rich mothballed it for the winter and I haven't had a chance to christen my Innovate lambda on it.

It starts first time every time, regardless of battery state(!), never misfires and drives really well. It's running off the infamous modded flywheel.

It uses the original standalone idle control the D comes with.
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Postby clee » Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:27 pm

There's no problem with the Adaptronic as a piece of kit ................It ran my car fine when it fired up OK .Last time out it went like stink till it blew up :twisted:
The odd triggering seems to confuse it and also the sensor signals.
These are all fixable items .
The main problem is a decent map and the Ren crap sensors .I know Dave will say it is all dependant on your mods etc ...............but once a good map is fixed on a std GTA the rest is just turd polishing to suit the upgrades .
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Postby steveatyork » Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:46 pm

mine runs perfect 99.9% of the time :D but it aint an alp :roll:
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Re: Adaptronic maps - anyone running Adaptronic please read

Postby David Gentleman » Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:12 pm

Tony Smith wrote:Since there are a few of us now with this system and mapping is very expensive I suggest some collaboration. I for instance have some good full power maps but my idle and part throttle running is p1ss poor. Be great if someone out there has managed to figure out how to get a nice smooth idle. Can anybody help? It's easy enough to e-mail the map files and intergrate the pieces that work well. My main problems are initial start up and hot idle where it hunts terribly. How are other people getting on with it?


Your car hasn't been mapped for idle and crusing tho, just full throttle really. If you invest in a wideband, and bring it down to me one day, and I do a live map, or use my wideband if need be. Ive done a few 21's and they run perfectly on part throttle and cruise. I can get rid of the 2 wire ISCV for you too..
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