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Postby andyh877 » Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:11 pm

clee wrote:I think David's saying its £50 for a std GTA wheel thats has been painted Andy ,so that's not to bad a deal methinks .It's a "wee wee" awful job to prep the wheels if you do DIY ,I only did it for love .


yeah if you do em by hand...... shotblasting is alot quicker and more effective :shock:
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Postby clee » Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:13 pm

Depends if you is a racer or a blinger .Race prep painted go faster striped hard core for track 8) shiney bling for the carparks at Maccy D's 8) 8)
I myself will be having a change of shoes :roll: :roll:
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Postby clee » Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:21 pm

andyh877 wrote:
clee wrote:I think David's saying its £50 for a std GTA wheel thats has been painted Andy ,so that's not to bad a deal methinks .It's a "wee wee" awful job to prep the wheels if you do DIY ,I only did it for love .


yeah if you do em by hand...... shotblasting is alot quicker and more effective :shock:



No it aint .Shot blasting will kill them ,good for rust, but they have to be bead blasted and it takes forever .Chemical strip then beaded to remove left overs .I tried beading a turbo plenum and a wheel and it didn't work to well ,soaked some others in stripper off my Lovejoy brother and it took it off a treat ,it's a real health hazard though :twisted: :twisted:
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Postby David Gentleman » Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:47 pm

peterg wrote:
andyh877 wrote:
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jules wrote:Why waste good money on petrol and lighters? put 50K on the clock and let the design fault do it for you :D

Took the wheel down to revamp in orpington today, they seem like a sound bunch of lads, reckoned they'd fully refurb my alpine wheels for 50 quid each, might taken them up on it, i could park the mg in some of my curbing dents :roll:


I can give you outright refurbed wheels for £50 each..


wow! i'm astonished......


Basically, new workshop + sprayer + spray booth + lots of old GTA wheels sitting around taking up space = cheap refurbed wheels. 8)


I knew there had to be a catch..... you're painting them......not powder coating which is the proper way..... sorry buddy I has a set painted and laquered and would never go down that route again they don't last 5 minutes..... whereas powder coat is hard wearing and it don't flake off like paint....... each to there own i hope you have many satisfied customers.... but i swear by powder coat only, painting is a false economy in the long run.




lol, the PROPER way :roll: ... :lol:

http://www.sxoc.com/vbb/showthread.php? ... dercoating

http://www.asa.org.uk/asa/adjudications ... n_id=41489

Hence, why top wheel manufacturers such as BBS, OZ, Speedline, MilleMiglia all paint their wheels and have never used powdercoating..
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Postby David Gentleman » Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:50 pm

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clee wrote:I think David's saying its £50 for a std GTA wheel thats has been painted Andy ,so that's not to bad a deal methinks .It's a "wee wee" awful job to prep the wheels if you do DIY ,I only did it for love .


yeah if you do em by hand...... shotblasting is alot quicker and more effective :shock:


:?: ... 'shot' blasting isnt going to remove kerb rash...
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Postby clee » Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:03 pm

Powder coating is best for durability and finish. It won't cause stress cracking if done correctly with good quality wheels to begin with.I've worked on many projects involving powder coating including pressure vessels .It's all down to the quality of workmanship as most thing are :wink:
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Postby simontaylor » Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:07 pm

Quality, you can't beat it :!:
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Postby David Gentleman » Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:13 pm

clee wrote:Powder coating is best for durability and finish. It won't cause stress cracking if done correctly with good quality wheels to begin with.I've worked on many projects involving powder coating including pressure vessels .It's all down to the quality of workmanship as most thing are :wink:


But not for wheels I wouldnt say. Ive had Compomotives in the past which have been powdercoated, and the finish ultimately cannot get as 'glassy' as a painted finish and I found, if chipped, and moisture got underneath the powdercoating, would cause the aluminium surface underneath to oxidise as usual and eventually lift off the powdercoating in flakes, where as on a stone chipped painted rim this doesnt happen.
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Postby clee » Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:24 pm

Well yes ,if chipped or kerbed you lose the durable protective coating :shock: most people go and get them refurbed when that happens :lol: :lol: :roll: :roll:
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Postby andyh877 » Wed Aug 30, 2006 9:54 pm

David Gentleman wrote:
clee wrote:Powder coating is best for durability and finish. It won't cause stress cracking if done correctly with good quality wheels to begin with.I've worked on many projects involving powder coating including pressure vessels .It's all down to the quality of workmanship as most thing are :wink:


But not for wheels I wouldnt say. Ive had Compomotives in the past which have been powdercoated, and the finish ultimately cannot get as 'glassy' as a painted finish and I found, if chipped, and moisture got underneath the powdercoating, would cause the aluminium surface underneath to oxidise as usual and eventually lift off the powdercoating in flakes, where as on a stone chipped painted rim this doesnt happen.


bullocks,

bad prep will give you problems obviously

i've got powdercoated rims in the garage and they are a better finish than the originals....... very glossy thanks......

so why does everyone doing a quality job in restoring a car.... etc powder coat the wheels ..... every time..... they never paint them....

and the argument if you want to call it that is about the durability of paint covering against powder coating....... powder coat is better than paint full stop :!:

the thing about compomotive is also they used to have 3 units in the industrial estate where they are situated...... now it's shrunk to 1..... it doesn't surprise me as they aren't very nice people to deal with and they produce an inferior product from what i've seen in the past, a guy I know had some custom wheels made by them to fit spiders..... just had rto copy the original wheel measurements...... wheels arrived and didn't fit..... say no more :!:
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Postby David Gentleman » Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:06 pm

Andy, all professional wheel manufacturers paint wheels, they are not powdercoated.

Powdercoating is cheaper, it cost me £10 a wheel in the past for acid dipping, bead blasting and powdercoating - simply because it is an industrial process and quick and easy to do.

Go to any 'powdercoaters' and 99% of the time you will see their main business is powdercoating and galving gates, railings, sheet metal etc... functional coatings, whereas when you have wheels painted by a 'bodyshop' you know their main emphasis is the final finish. It is not for function, but for pure aesthetics. End of the day, you can get a paint finish to look perfect, powdercoating can not get to that level..

Most people like to fork out for the extra, of having a painted finish. If its good enough for bodywork, its good enough for wheels. 8)
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Postby andyh877 » Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:10 pm

David Gentleman wrote:. End of the day, you can get a paint finish to look perfect, powdercoating can not get to that level.. WHY?

Most people like to fork out for the extra, of having a painted finish. If its good enough for bodywork, its good enough for wheels. 8)


AND BODYWORK CHIPS REALLY EASY DOESN'T IT
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Postby David Gentleman » Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:16 pm

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David Gentleman wrote:. End of the day, you can get a paint finish to look perfect, powdercoating can not get to that level.. WHY?

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er, because we can apply a base coat, flatten back, apply as many coats of laquer as we like, flatten back, then polish..

You can't do that with powdercoating.

Why don't car manufacturers just powdercoat the bodyshells of cars...???
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Postby andyh877 » Thu Aug 31, 2006 6:07 am

David Gentleman wrote:
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David Gentleman wrote:. End of the day, you can get a paint finish to look perfect, powdercoating can not get to that level.. WHY?

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er, because we can apply a base coat, flatten back, apply as many coats of laquer as we like, flatten back, then polish..

You can't do that with powdercoating.

Why don't car manufacturers just powdercoat the bodyshells of cars...???


but we're not talking about bodyshells of cars...... we're on the subject of wheel rims..........................

and i bet your not going to stick ten coats of paint on your wheels are you :lol:

back to original subject of the thread.........
















an inner tube will defo fix the problem or a tyre weld on the temporary DIY side of things.....but time that it will last..... unknown
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Postby clee » Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:26 am

:idea: I'll ask about powder coating the GTA :lol:
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