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Postby David Gentleman » Sat Mar 04, 2006 6:58 pm

clee wrote:Std exhaust manifolds I think :D We have been over and over this subject but then until recently it was thought piggybacking wasn't worth the hassle :mrgreen: It would seem to be a worthwhile mod and from what I've read from various sources pretty straightforward .


Whats a worthwhile mod, manifolds or piggyback?

300bhp isnt strictly true as the max limit for a single turbo setup. As Ive said previously, I can fabricate a new mandrel bent turbo manifold system with 2" internal diameters at the turbo, bringing it in front of the engine. Using a decent sized Garrett GT30/32 turbo with a straight out the side exhaust, and a direct straight intake will be able to supply enough air for any application at any boost.

Moolah though, its not worth doing unless you have an ECU, chargecooler, cams.
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Postby David Gentleman » Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:22 pm

I am quite tempted to rig up this system on a spare engine I have here, as I have the suitable turbo, ecu, chargecooler, cams and can sort out the manifolds quite easily.

I could then get the engine on a dyno to measure the power output.

The problem with the GTA, (and we've been over this many times before), is every component is flawed.

For instance, we know to run more boost we need better intercooling/chargecooling, but the standard turbo is very small, so this needs upgrading, but we also know the exhaust is restrictive (and the turbo elbow), so this needs changing too..

Then we can only run upto around 14psi, as this is the factory limit, so we need the ecu, 3 bar map sensor (but also bigger injectors as Renault saw fit to install the minium requirement)

So, now were running say 16-20psi. Depending on what boost level you run (you may want to go higher), this is probably the best setup to retain the original 'punch' of the GTA, without sacrificing drivability. It will still have a massive kick in the pants feel...

The next step, as we are cramming all this boost in, but its not flowing through the engine efficienctly above 4k, is to fit the better cams..

And at this point we are still only about 280-310bhp....

The power band has now shifted about 2k up the rev range, but still dies off around 5k..

Now the exhaust manifolds are the restriction (even the standard manifolds on the atmo are a restriction at 160bhp!)

Problem is, to change to the different manifold system as I mentioned earlier, you need to junk all the decent downpipe and exhaust system purchased previously and go for a complete new one as the turbo is in a completely different place..

Now potential wise, there is no limit. The manifold design I have is much like the single turbo setup on the old Lemans Car PRV turbos, which were 2.0 V6, and ran over 600bhp.

300-400bhp>> depends on boost pressure and turbo choice...but its going to be very laggy, a narrow powerband and still only rev to around 6500 max..

The only restrictions after this is going to be head design/valves/physical strength..

Then the next step is the Laguna V6 engine transplant, race cams for that engine (can't use the 2.5 turbo ones), and the benefit of the lower compression for more boost, bigger valves and ports and increased capacity..
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Postby PRVv6 » Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:31 pm

Well Guys, I have news for you all about the prv... My friend John Lane is slamming 530 ft/lbs to the ground in his single turbo prv v6. he just sent me the pistons and rods neccessary to withstand over 30psi, but i believe he reached his goal around 15psi. let me show you...
It's known as the fire breathing MONSTER... because well... its a rally car from hell
http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthrea ... ng+monster


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http://www.printroom.com/ViewAlbum.asp? ... _id=124351
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Postby David Gentleman » Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:35 pm

PRVv6 wrote:Well Guys, I have news for you all about the prv... My friend John Lane is slamming 530 ft/lbs to the ground in his single turbo prv v6. he just sent me the pistons and rods neccessary to withstand over 30psi, but i believe he reached his goal around 15psi. let me show you...
It's known as the fire breathing MONSTER... because well... its a rally car from hell
http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthrea ... ng+monster


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http://www.printroom.com/ViewAlbum.asp? ... _id=124351


Unfortunately not.. :lol:

I have the email from him where he admitted to me its around 300!
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can i see it?
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Postby simontaylor » Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:47 pm

DG :shock: Should be good to see this in your car later in the year :o
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Postby simontaylor » Sat Mar 04, 2006 7:58 pm

WHAT ABOUT BRAKES for all that power ???
1986 : '86 GTA v6 BW-EFR turbo, with Adaptronic ECU
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Postby David Gentleman » Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:07 pm

PRVv6 wrote:can i see it?


Yes, I compile all the emails together..

Its quite funny, as at the beginning he mentions he never throws around wild engine horse power claims, and the end when I prove otherwise he changes his tune and admits he has never had it dyno tuned at all, as says he reckons its 500bhp to make people he has beaten with 300bhp feel better... :? :roll: :roll: :lol:

http://www.alpinerenaulttuning.co.uk/copyofemails.eml
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Postby David Gentleman » Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:09 pm

simontaylor wrote:DG :shock: Should be good to see this in your car later in the year :o


Im a response and zero lag man....not for me... :D
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Postby David Gentleman » Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:20 pm

PRVv6 wrote:can i see it?


..and also..very bottom of the page..This thread is what the emails stemmed from..

http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthrea ... 121&page=9

He has no dyno plots at all for any of these claims...
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Postby peterg » Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:33 pm

Oh well....the dream is gone again! Start work on the altered single turbo conversion now please....I'd like it for next year!!! :D
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Postby clee » Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:42 pm

Show of hands.....To all who have ridden in my car.... Any question as to the validity to the power claims? Hee-hee......

I'm not playing :lol:
You're all obssesed with power :roll:
As Rupert said ' spend a few hundred quid on a driving course '
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Postby David Gentleman » Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:52 pm

clee wrote:Show of hands.....To all who have ridden in my car.... Any question as to the validity to the power claims? Hee-hee......

I'm not playing :lol:
You're all obssesed with power :roll:
As Rupert said ' spend a few hundred quid on a driving course '


I don't care for the power figure, as long as the thing is fast..

I had much more pleasure telling my mate that I passed in his M3 cabrio, that my old atmo was only 122bhp at the wheels, than saying it had a massive power figure! :lol:
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Postby peterg » Sat Mar 04, 2006 8:54 pm

I want to stop quickly too!! :wink:
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Postby clee » Sat Mar 04, 2006 9:03 pm

David Gentleman wrote:
clee wrote:Show of hands.....To all who have ridden in my car.... Any question as to the validity to the power claims? Hee-hee......

I'm not playing :lol:
You're all obssesed with power :roll:
As Rupert said ' spend a few hundred quid on a driving course '


I don't care for the power figure, as long as the thing is fast..

I had much more pleasure telling my mate that I passed in his M3 cabrio, that my old atmo was only 122bhp at the wheels, than saying it had a massive power figure! :lol:



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