A610 Front Pads. EBC Greenstuff. NEW

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A610 Front pads.

EBC Greenstuff.

Front pads. Complete set. (i.e. 4 pads).

£49 members
£59 non-members.

Please be careful if fitting cheap generic pads to your A610. Yes it is possible to buy this pad pattern in regular friction material but it is not suitable for the A610 where the OEM pads are a much harder compound. This is one of the reasons why they are a ridiculous price from Renault. They are not a standard material.

You may be all right poodling round town with generic pads but if you drive hard or use them on a track day they will let you down.

Greenstuff is as soft as you want to go. Redstuff is recommended but is a bit harsher on the discs for everyday use.

In fact EBC no longer supply the rear pad pattern in anything other than Redstuff and we are trying to obtain a special run in Greenstuff.

Stephen,
Have you managed to get Green stuff to settle down? I gave up on mine after 1000 miles of continuous squealing- despite shims and copper slip on the back. I was quite disappointed.
I haven't tried red stuff- but might now that the discs are available at sensible prices again (eg not Renault).

Cheers
lee

I've used redstuffs on DeLoreans to great success BUT they work *because* they get HOT (solid discs) - and they do munch the discs very fast, and also squeal a bit when stone cold, but the reward as they warm up is definitely worth it, esp in an emergency stop situation.

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As of today RAOC are now authorised EBC re-sellers so should be able to give members a good price on whatever you want to try.

I'm going to try some Greenstuff with the new two piece rotors and bells on the A610 this week.

Interesting to notice your bed in problems. EBC have modified all their pads to include a new 'Brake-In' surface coating which conditions rotor surface and accelerates pad bed-in. You can tell these pads from the copper coloured surface layer.

EBC actually quote a bed in time of up to 1000 miles for Redstuff which again is now a new ceramic compound which is apparently vastly improved over the old compound.

Cold friction is pretty much the same on Red and Green. Hot friction is better on Red. Green has a shorter lifespan (softer). Red has a longer lifespan (harder).

Will let you know how I get on.

Had a long chat with EBC today and was pleased to find that they are prepared to offer the A610/Spider pattern rear in Green as a special small run for the club as long as we order 50 sets. This should be a great pad on the rear of the Spider for general use.

They also advised against using Citroen XM/Peugeot 605 pattern parts due to both inappropriate friction material and position of the material on the backplates which is apparently a couple of mm out. Can anyone confirm this?

They also advised against using Citroen XM/Peugeot 605 pattern parts due to both inappropriate friction material and position of the material on the backplates which is apparently a couple of mm out. Can anyone confirm this?

My brakes were replaced about a year ago with the XM/605 parts, I must say the brakes are the most disappointing aspect of my car for me. They are poor at best! If anyone has a general recommendation for everyday use more than track use for the A610 then I would be willing to listen and try! Keep us updated how you get on with your new pads Stephen. Cheers

Yes I can confirm the 605/XM pads have the friction material in the wrong place- for the rear. I have used a set but changed to some Ferodo spider pads (75 from brakes international) when the overlap at the back was getting close to touching.
They still miss the inner 5mm of the disk, but line up properly on the circumference. The 605 pads stick out too far and wrap around as they wear- avoid. But at 250 a set Renault isn't an opotion.
I agree the brakes on the 610 are not as good as I was hoping.
Green stuff/ Laguna- I cannot tell the difference, except that they aren't really enough for a rapid stop.
My substantially heavier A6 Quattro has smaller brakes but feels much better and to have more in reserve. Curious especially as some road tests on 610 praise the brakes.
Lee

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But at 250 a set Renault isn't an opotion.

Believe it or not they are now £338 + VAT!!

They fit Spider / A610 / Clio V6

EBC Retail is:

Greenstuff £46.00 (exclusive pad)
Redstuff £51.00
Yellowstuff £56.00

All plus vat but there will be a decent club discount.

when the overlap at the back was getting close to touching

That is what EBC told me. You'd get total brake failure

I'm interested to note the complaints aimed at the 610 brakes. Although Steve noted mine felt particularly good, I can say that while they require a bit more effort, they are at least as good, used in anger, as the Venturi ones, and far less prone to locking up, as the V required much less effort. I gess it's a fine line between "feel" and pedal assist.

I said above that redstuffs on a DeLorean work really well - well on consecutive days I took a DeLorean with those and then a LeMans to the MOT and the LeMans was pitiful, only just passing with me standing on the pedal. The DeLorean almost gets launched off the rollers on the rear brake test.

These Citroen brake calipers are meant to work at up to 3000psi - I've always pondered the wisdom of running them off a standard m/c. Anyone thought of reducing the bore?

Come MOT time mine always work fine (on the foot brake anyway) with the rears giving virtually the same retardation force as the fronts (that is right for a rear engined car), but on the road it all seems less reassuring.
Maybe its just in my mind, I haven't had an "oh S, sorry..Oh dear" moment as yet.
Lee

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I have found the standard set up generally OK for the road except in cars fitted with cheap aftermarket discs and/or pads, which is increasingly common as the price of the OEM parts continues to sky rocket.

For regular track day use they need upgrading.

Maybe we should have a brake roller shootout or get a few more people to try the 0-100-0 at Bruntingthorpe next time to compare stopping distances.

I run the Redstuff on the front with Greenstuff on the rear. I found that although the rears were working, the fronts seemed to be overpowered with them prone to lock up with what I felt was brake retardation not as good as a Peugeot 405 Mi16 I had at the time.

I have removed the rear brake pressure limiter and fitted a simple T piece, and now enjoy much better braking, and when pushed will still lock up the fronts first in the dry at least, and have had no problems in the wet.