Smoking Exhaust on tickover.

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Smoking Exhaust on tickover.

Postby Miles » Wed May 18, 2005 8:23 am

Question if i let my car idle, after 6 minutes exact its starts to smoke. On start up nothing at all and general running nothing at all. My car does not seem to use oil or make oil and coolant level stay constant.
The fumes are a mixture of oil and fuel mixture.
Any ideas? Was contemplating a compression test, then a check of the valve stem guides but i would have expected these faults to show on start up.
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Postby David Gentleman » Wed May 18, 2005 9:09 am

Could be turbo. As it warms up and expands, oil begins to leak through the seals, and thus smokey exhaust..?
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Postby dermotj » Wed May 18, 2005 9:47 am

almost definitely turbo
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I concur

Postby Tony Smith » Sat May 21, 2005 9:30 pm

had something very similar on a GTA a few years back and it was the turbo.Didn't always smoke underload but if you left it idling when hot after a few minutes it used to seep oil into the exhaust system - enough to make it appear the car was on fire!
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Postby David Gentleman » Sat May 21, 2005 10:30 pm

Thats right, normally, if its the turbo, it won't smoke on boost, as the bearings are held under load, its only when the load is reduced you then get leakage past the seals.
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Smoke at tickover

Postby Miles » Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:37 am

Having just removed my Turbo, not a job for the faint hearted. It now appears that the problem may not be the turbo after all. To that end if anyone has the same or similar symptons as mine don't jump at the turbo.
Check The brake master cylinder first. (':oops:')
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Postby David Gentleman » Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:27 am

..it won't be the brake master cylinder... :?:
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Re: Smoke at tickover

Postby simontaylor » Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:11 am

Miles wrote:Check The brake master cylinder first. (':oops:')


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Turbo fault diagnosis

Postby Miles » Mon Jun 19, 2006 3:38 pm

You do not need loads of oil for it to smoke..
If your master cylinder is leaking brake fluid in to the vacuum chamber this could in theory be sucked in to the intake manifold and burned. This would show itself more under idle as this is when the vacuum is at its greatest.
Possible.
I’m not saying this is my fault but it would have been sensible to check first.
All you would have to do is disconnect the vacuum pipe, obviously block of the inlet manifold hole and allow the car to idle. If it smokes Turbo if not fault found master Cylinder.
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Re: Turbo fault diagnosis

Postby David Gentleman » Mon Jun 19, 2006 4:05 pm

Miles wrote:You do not need loads of oil for it to smoke..
If your master cylinder is leaking brake fluid in to the vacuum chamber this could in theory be sucked in to the intake manifold and burned. .


Yes, on a front engined car where the master is above the engine

On a GTA it would have to pull it over 3 metres and up a gradient.

Also, if it was brake fluid, it would do it straight away from cold, which you said it didnt in the first post, and that it smelt of oil/petrol... :)
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Postby simontaylor » Mon Jun 19, 2006 5:49 pm

maybe the brake master cylinder and vacuum line are full of fluid???
easy to check by just disconnecting the vacuum line at each end i guess.
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Postby simontaylor » Mon Jun 19, 2006 5:50 pm

as it only smokes after 6 minutes on idle, could it be a sensor that is confusing the ECU to do something out of the ordinary, maybe???
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Postby David Gentleman » Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:12 pm

simontaylor wrote:maybe the brake master cylinder and vacuum line are full of fluid???
easy to check by just disconnecting the vacuum line at each end i guess.


Could be, but I doubt you'd have any brakes too... :lol:

If it was that full, it would be idling badly too..
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Postby David Gentleman » Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:13 pm

simontaylor wrote:as it only smokes after 6 minutes on idle, could it be a sensor that is confusing the ECU to do something out of the ordinary, maybe???


The only sensor that could cause anything from the exhaust, would be the coolant temp sensor, which would cause it to run rich, but no more rich than when the car is first started.
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Postby stephendell » Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:08 pm

Are talking black,white or blue smoke?

I had a perished vacuum pipe to the map sensor. When it started to crack I got black smoke. Replaced the pipe and problem disappeared.
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