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24V Update

Postby rupert » Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:30 am

Not sure if this will work, but hopefully here is a photo and an video proving that the car does exist!!!

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Postby rupert » Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:33 am

Anyone prepared to offer any advice about ideal fuel pressure (currently at 4bar) and larger fuel injectors to achieve the magic 240bhp? :shock:
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Postby peterg » Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:46 am

Looking good! On the road for 2008???? :lol:
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Postby simontaylor » Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:19 am

Rupert, I like the box of Frosties on the back spoiler, Grrrrrrrrrreat, I guess you have been working all hours on it, or some one has?
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Postby Stunned Monkey » Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:44 am

rupert wrote:Anyone prepared to offer any advice about ideal fuel pressure (currently at 4bar) and larger fuel injectors to achieve the magic 240bhp? :shock:


Um.... are you running the original ECU? You can't increase HP just by increasing fuelling. HOWEVER, all the stock ECUs were mapped for cats weren't they? With an aftermarket ECU, you could gain quite a bit now you've got no cats to worry about (meow). How have you done the exhaust BTW?

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Chipped ecu

Postby Tony Smith » Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:44 pm

There is a company in France that chips these 24v ecu's - Ian Blacks car has one I believe - not sure what company. Someone like BBR could probably map the ECU on your car for about £500 - not just a standard chip but actually one optimised in your installation.
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Postby simontaylor » Wed Aug 09, 2006 12:59 pm

Iain's engine bay as it was in Croix 2004.

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Re: Chipped ecu

Postby David Gentleman » Wed Aug 09, 2006 1:20 pm

Tony Smith wrote:There is a company in France that chips these 24v ecu's - Ian Blacks car has one I believe - not sure what company. Someone like BBR could probably map the ECU on your car for about £500 - not just a standard chip but actually one optimised in your installation.


Ian Blacks car has a remapped R25 ecu, hence why its not running the variable inlet tract. The 24v ecu is a Fenix 4 system, which no-one plays with...

I have a programmable Renault 25 V6 ecu here, with the software and programming lead. It can be reprogrammed as many times as you want with a laptop. It will work on any V6 with the same tooth pattern as the R25. Only has basic programmable fuel and ignition maps against load and rpm. Has no fancy features....
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Postby David Gentleman » Wed Aug 09, 2006 1:25 pm

rupert wrote:Anyone prepared to offer any advice about ideal fuel pressure (currently at 4bar) and larger fuel injectors to achieve the magic 240bhp? :shock:


Keep it as it is, if anything, turn the fuel pressure down to around 3 - 3.5bar with 0 vacuum...
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Postby rupert » Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:18 pm

Forgot to say, we are running an Emerald ECU system.
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Postby simontaylor » Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:22 pm

Quite a few of the sprint cars I see run Emerald, I think they also sponsor some motorsport events.
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Postby Stunned Monkey » Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:45 pm

Can anyone name another home-grown ECU ?
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Postby rupert » Wed Aug 09, 2006 5:09 pm

DG said.....

Keep it as it is, if anything, turn the fuel pressure down to around 3 - 3.5bar with 0 vacuum...[/quote]

They said theyhad to increse the pressure because it kept leaning off at higher revs. I suggested bigger injectors.

So far it is properly set up to 4000rpm.[quote][/quote]
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Postby David Gentleman » Wed Aug 09, 2006 5:57 pm

rupert wrote:
They said theyhad to increse the pressure because it kept leaning off at higher revs. I suggested bigger injectors.

So far it is properly set up to 4000rpm.


Who's they?. Your injectors are 191cc (same as GTA Lemans), sufficient for 240bhp, but it depends what maximum duty they have set the ecu to run at, ..Bigger injectors would be better than increasing fuel pressure. End of the day you can use any larger injector and decrease the duty time to suit... What fuel pump are you using?
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